Traffic Pro

Ron Stygar's non-Bluetooth Coupe Phone Installation notes: (See also Bluetooth Phone Install)

12-31-2002, 04:48 PM

.'01 M-Z3 coupe, '97 318ti

Location: 12 Oak Drive, Marlborough, CT 06447 (860-295-9986)

Now that he has the Traffic Pro, Jim E. wants to intergrate a hands free phone system in his M3 making use of the HK TP phone input and mute.
Since I've been looking to purchase a cell phone, it is a good time to do the coupe as well.
For an interesting article that John F. sent me, connect to:
http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM3G.shtml

We are going with the Motorola T720 phone and will be modifying their hands free kit so that the microphone will be using a BMW mounting and the sound along with mute will be via the HK Traffic Pro.
http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/motorola/94517.asp

Jim ordered one kit which he is sending me. No sense buying two if for some reason we can't get it to work.
I picked up my phone Friday with Verizon as the service provider.
Being confident, I decided to cut my headliner and mount the BMW microphone holder. I have the microphone cover on order. The holder is held in place using a sheetmetal screw in an existing hole. Holds the headliner in place better than the piece of velcro there.
We will use the microphone that comes with the hands free kit if we can make it fit the BMW microphone holder. If not, we will try the BMW E36 or E46 microphone.
I couldn't find any instructions in related BMW kits that showed how to install the BMW microphone holder in my coupe. You have to wing it. The microphone holder also has an opening for the sunroof switch which you can plug if you do not have a sunroof. The sunroof switch location moves forward with the microphone holder. 180 out of what it initially looks like it should be. Big mistake if you try to mount the microphone holder so the sunroof switch stays where it is stock. More to come.

01-01-2003, 10:55 PM

Kaz

King of Rear Clunks

Location: OC, CA

01 325iT, 88 M6

Ah. Well, my phone has a few in-car options:
Auto Answer (pretty obvious)
Auto Handsfree (can set this so clipping the phone in does NOT set it to handsfree mode)
Power Off Delay (shuts phone completely off if left in carkit n time after car is shut off)
Charger Time (same but for batt charging function only)

YMMV on a T720

I have my autoanswer off (the phone itself is set to answer when flipped open (if closed) or when any key is pressed (if open)) and autohandsfree on. One of the things the latter mode does is automatically take it out of vibe and put it on ring if the phone was on vibe, and put it back when unclipped.

I don't use the radio mute but if its hooked up (on E46s, at least) the radio will display 'mute' or 'phone' or something when the phone starts ringing.

The phone will hang itself up like normal when the other party hangs up so its 'automatic' in that sense.

The voicedial would require you to push the voicedial button on the right, after which it will listen for the name to dial. In the car, this works with the phone open or closed. Another feature I don't use mostly because I usually take but not make calls in the car.

US E46s are at least partially prewired for an antenna, and my wagon came with a dualband so I'm using it. The old kit would cut the phone's built-in antenna off, but the v60 one doesn't appear to, though I'm not positive about that. If you find that the car is prewired at all for an antenna, it uses the same coax connector as the Motorola kits so you won't need any adapters.

01-02-2003, 02:35 AM

The voicedial would require you to push the voicedial button on the right, after which it will listen for the name to dial. In the car, this works with the phone open or closed.
>>>OK. I thought so but was hoping otherwise.
US E46s are at least partially prewired for an antenna, and my wagon came with a dualband so I'm using it. The old kit would cut the phone's built-in antenna off, but the v60 one doesn't appear to, though I'm not positive about that. If you find that the car is prewired at all for an antenna, it uses the same coax connector as the Motorola kits so you won't need any adapters.
>>>Good job. Thanks for the info explaining things. Still have a way to go for the Z3-M.

01-11-2003, 07:47 PM

If you end up using a E36 or E46 3-wire mic, I'd be interested in finding out what needs to be done to make it work. All the diagrams seem to indicate the 3rd contact is a ground (shield vs signal? I dunno) but I could never get it to work with the in-car Motorola handsfree for the L2000/7x8x series phones so I ended up using the kit's mic instead.
>>>OK.
When I retired my L708 for a v60g, I put the v60c/t/g/i kit in its place which works fantastic.
>>>With the BMW mic or the kit mic?

01-11-2003, 10:14 PM

Microphone holder installed awaiting microphone cover.
My '01 M coupe comes with the telephone antenna/amplifier with the cable terminated in the console area.
Connect to:
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showth...&threadid=12072
There is also an eight pin female connector in the console area for power hot at all times and power hot in run and start along with ground and radio mute access.
Major problem for me was where to mount the phone holder. I wanted the installation to look factory. Also wanted it to look like there was no integrated phone in the car.
I chose the console cup holder storage compartment. This compartment is covered by the LeatherZ armrest. Problem with it in the storage compartment you can't access the side buttons etc. I decided to raise it up to allow access by cutting out the bottom of the LeatherZ armrest to accommodate the additional height. Will add a recessed plate to the armrest so that it looks right, opened.

You need to make a base in the storage compartment to raise the phone roughly two inches.
I started out making it from wood. Switched to using dental TAK.

I initially purchased ($60 per bottle) this product designing my strut brace. In 180 degree water it gets together and becomes soft. Unlike putty it gets hard. Want to try again, put it back in water or heat it some other way. You can drill and tap it etc. I used this to provide a mount for the OBC I added to my coupe.

Well, after six hours, I get it all done. Went to clean up the armrest holder using alcohol and grabbed the lacquer thinner by mistake. Oh well.
Will order a new one Monday. For the better, since it will let me get rid of the flashlight and cup holder LED mods which are no longer necessary.
Also the mold that I made needs another quarter inch added to the back. If not, the antenna tip just encroaches the back cup holder.
I removed the mold.

May use it as a model to make one out of black Delrin depending how much the machining is.
The Delrin is $50.00 per foot but you can purchase just four inches for this project. Just found this out. I thought that the minimum buy was one foot. I have Delrin in my garage based on this screw up.
I wired up the handsfree kit on the passenger seat and it appears to work well calling myself with a portable phone. If there are any feedback problems the HK Traffic Pro lets you adjust the phone sound separately just like it does for the CD, radio and NAV. So you can adjust the fader and balance controls to use whatever speakers you want.

I modified the Motorola kit microphone flat mount to mount using the same screw that holds the BMW microphone/sunroof switch holder assembly.
To do this you have to drill another hole in the Motorola kit microphone flat mount about 1/4 inch back of the existing hole. You have to make this hole the same size as the BMW microphone/sunroof switch holder assembly mounting hole.

The Motorola kit microphone will rotate on the mounting hole and will also adjust up and down. Adjusting it to angle down and face the driver is probably not necessary.
In use, speaking forward it picks up a very, very low whisper. Not sure how it does that off direction.
So there is no reason to use the BMW microphone. Still curious if the BMW one would work with the Motorola hands free kit.

Seeing if the kit microphone would work with the BMW holder, was the last step in the challenge to integrate a cell phone in my '01 M coupe.
I have a new armrest and mating 8 pin phone connector coming Wednesday. Just a matter of mounting and connecting things now.
Not sure/familar how the phone set up works in the E46, E39 etc. cars.
The custom set up in my Z3, making use of the HK Traffic Pro, is pretty neat in my opinion.
If you place the Motorola T720 phone in the Motorola hands free kit cradle in the ON mode it goes to sleep with the ignition off.
If you turn on the ignition, it wakes up.
Listening to a CD or radio, an incoming call mutes the CD or radio and announces/rings through the car speakers.
"Phone" appears in the HK Traffic Pro display.

You speak through the added microphone and the response comes through the car speakers. When the caller hangs up,
the HK TP display returns to CD or radio display.
For an outgoing call, you press the voice dial button,
and the HK TP display goes to "Phone." Speak the name and it dials the number. Person answering comes through the car speakers. You answer via the added kit microphone. When the caller hangs up, the HK TP display returns to CD or radio display.
If in navigation mode, the "Phone" appears in the display. When a navigation response comes in, it is shared with the phone response as one option. A couple of other options exist which let you share at different levels or mute.
As mentioned, I have the BMWNA Traffic Pro. My friend Jim has the HK Traffic Pro.
Mine will control the BMW or Becker changer.
His will only control the Becker changer.
My phone input pins 13 & 14 went to the CD changer. I have come up with no reason why. There is no measured resistance or signal there. I cut these lines and used them for my phone input.
His phone input connector pins 13 & 14 have no pins in it.
HK states the phone input feature, yet there are no pins in the connector to accommodate it. There is no way to get the pins either.
Does that make sense? It doesn't to me.
I assume that everything is a secret, or that the accessible people just don't know.
I have no idea why Becker NA/AG does this. You would think that they would want to make it easy for you to enjoy their product.
That is not the case.
More to come.

Last edited by Ron Stygar : 01-14-2003 at 11:22 AM.

Moon Roof Switch Lighting

X19018 pin two is power (VI/GE) See how it switches to brown. Brown is normally ground in BMW, not power. X19018 pin one is ground (BR). See how it switches to red. Red is normally hot at all times not ground in BMW's. If you reverse the pins at connector X19018 it will light the switch but the functions will be backwards. You will also need the tool to do this.
The LED is inside the switch across the power lines. If the diagram doesn't make sense you probably should leave it alone.

the eight pin connector provoides power and access to the radio mute line. This is in your car. The mating connector is 61 13 1 378 116.

I installed the phone kit module under the dash on the drivers side.
Originally Posted by TxnBluDvl:
I have more information re the HK Traffic Pro and pins 13 and 14. There is a special part that needs to be ordered, Becker part number 1319.116-276. It includes the pins and ends in one RCA out. All of this comes with the Aux in kit. The two pins somehow turn into one RCA out, I'm not sure how. I wonder if I'll just have to hack off the RCA input or if there's a convenient radio shack way to mate to this RCA input...

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